Potentially bomb testimony in the impeachment investigation comes from an unexpected source on Friday. David Holmes, US aide: US diplomat William Taylor, said in private testimony that he had overheard President Donald Trump and the US. EU envoy Gordon Sundland spoke about Ukraine in July. Holmes says he was at a restaurant in Kiev when he heard Trump over the phone loudly asking Sondland if the president of Ukraine had agreed to conduct an inquiry into former Vice President Joe Biden. Sundland has apparently told Trump that Ukraine's President Vladimir Zelensky "loves his ass" and will do whatever he wants.
"Then I heard President Trump ask, 'So he's going to do the investigation? "Ambassador Sundland responded that 'he will do it, adding that President Zelensky will do' whatever you ask him to do, '" Holmes told deputies, according to a copy of a Homes introductory statement issued by CNN.
When the conversation ended, Holmes said he asked Sundland if it was true that Trump was not interested in Ukraine at all. Sundland replied that the president was only interested in "big things." "I noticed that big things are happening in Ukraine, like a war with Russia," Holmes continued, "and Ambassador Sundland said that with" big things "in mind, this is of benefit to the president, such as the" Biden investigation, " Mr Giuliani insists. "
This testimony is key for several reasons. First, it undermines the White House's defense that Trump doesn't really know what's going on. It also raises further questions about Sondland's testimony, given that he failed to mention to congressional investigators that he had talked about Ukraine with Trump. And it also clearly throws a big question at Sondland's earlier testimony that he had no idea Rudy Giuliani and Trump were interested in investigating a Ukrainian company because of its ties to Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Holmes also reaffirmed that there was some sort of quid pro quo, noting that Taylor told him in June that during a conversation with Zelensky, "it was clear that some action on the Burma / Biden investigation was a prerequisite for an Oval Office meeting. "
Holmes says in his testimony that he has only recently learned that there is information that may be of interest in the impeachment investigation. "I learned that I had first-hand knowledge of certain events on July 26 that were not otherwise reported, and that these events were potentially due to the question of whether the President actually knew that these officers were using the levers of our diplomatic power to prompted the new Ukrainian president to announce the launch of a specific criminal investigation, "he testified.